[Qlandkartegt-users] QLGT Windows installer

[Albrecht Dreß]

Hi all,

I today tried to convince a colleague to install QLGT on his box at work, running Windows XP, but somehow failed - please let me share the experiences...

The installer from sf tried to download the FWTools package. However, our corporate network is protected by a filtering proxy (squid plus havp/clamav), and the installer apparently doesn't use it. The proxy in Control Panel -> Internet (actually #automatic detection', i.e. the proxy.pac script; IE works fine) are correct, but apparently not used.

We installed FWTools manually through the link on <http://www.qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3>. Both packages (QLGT w/o FWTools, and FWTools) were installed to D:\Programme. Starting QLGT, it complained about missing libraries. We copied the dll's from fwtools to the QLGT folder, and the application started.

However, QLGT was displayed without the "usual" Win window, and could neither be moved nor minimised/maximised.

We then wanted to directly access the Garmin Vista on my colleague via USB, but QLGT didn't offer any drivers (although he has local admin privileges). Any idea about the reason?

Thanks, Albrecht.

[Oliver Eichler]

Post by Albrecht Dreß
We then wanted to directly access the Garmin Vista on my colleague via
USB, but QLGT didn't offer any drivers (although he has local admin
privileges). Any idea about the reason?

None of the drivers has been ported to Win32:

http://www.qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16&Itemid=18


The mess with FWTools is really annoying. The plan is to bundle GDAL
with the QLGT installer directly in the future. It's on my task stack, I
even installed the new GDAL binaries, but somehow my real life work
keeps me from preparing all the necessary stuff to migrate away from
FWTools.

Oliver

[Albrecht Dreß]

Hi Oliver!

Post by Oliver Eichler

Post by Albrecht Dreß
We then wanted to directly access the Garmin Vista on my colleague via
USB, but QLGT didn't offer any drivers (although he has local admin
privileges). Any idea about the reason?

http://www.qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16&Itemid=18

Umm, sorry. Should read the docs first! And I never assumed the situation on Win would be *worse* than on Mac OS X... ;-)

Post by Oliver Eichler
The mess with FWTools is really annoying. The plan is to bundle GDAL with the QLGT installer directly in the future. It's on my task stack, I even installed the new GDAL binaries, but somehow my real life work keeps me from preparing all the necessary stuff to migrate away from FWTools.

I think having all this stuff in a separate package is not a bad idea (something like the OS X Helpers & Libs) as it keeps the more frequently changing QLGT package smaller, but it should be installed in a folder which is searched automatically. No idea if that is possible with Win (the win system folder is probably a bad idea, and iirc it doesn't work with win7); the situation on UNIX'es where we have /usr/local is definitely a lot easier!

Cheers,
Albrecht.

[Helmut Schmidt]

Hi Albrecht and all,

when I reworked the windows installer last year I also faced the problem
that downloading FWTools does not work when a http proxy is in place. I
failed to find a solution.
Maybe there is any NSIS expert in the list who can give me a hint?

Recently I wrote some installation instructions. See
http://www.qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21&Itemid=24
or in the Wiki where it reads.
"In that case, you can download and installFWTools 2.4.7 manually before
running the QLandkarte GT installer."
The important point is that FWTools must be really installed *before*
QLGT. Maybe we should highlight the word "before" in the installation
instructions.

The reason for this is that during QLGT installation, FWTools are
located based on the registry key
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\FWtools\Install_Dir which is created during
FWTools installation. Based on that the starter script QLandkarteGT.bat
is generated.
Sounds complicated? Yes, also for me. But I did not find a simpler solution.

So: please install QLGT again after FWTools has been installed.
Im am sure that some of the problems reported should disappear then.

As Oliver wrote, this should be better once we have switched to another
gdal distribution. But this is also not off the shelf and needs to be
adapted. So it will take time.

Concerning the Window appearance I have no clue.
Sometimes there are some minor weird effects which I attribute to Qt.
But nothing like you reported.
You can send an e-mail with a screenshot.

Best regards,

Helmut

Post by Albrecht Dreß
Hi all,
I today tried to convince a colleague to install QLGT on his box at
work, running Windows XP, but somehow failed - please let me share the
experiences...
The installer from sf tried to download the FWTools package. However,
our corporate network is protected by a filtering proxy (squid plus
havp/clamav), and the installer apparently doesn't use it. The proxy in
Control Panel -> Internet (actually #automatic detection', i.e. the
proxy.pac script; IE works fine) are correct, but apparently not used.
We installed FWTools manually through the link on
<http://www.qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=3>.
Both packages (QLGT w/o FWTools, and FWTools) were installed to
D:\Programme. Starting QLGT, it complained about missing libraries. We
copied the dll's from fwtools to the QLGT folder, and the application
started.
However, QLGT was displayed without the "usual" Win window, and could
neither be moved nor minimised/maximised.
We then wanted to directly access the Garmin Vista on my colleague via
USB, but QLGT didn't offer any drivers (although he has local admin
privileges). Any idea about the reason?
Thanks, Albrecht.
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[Albrecht Dreß]

Post by Helmut Schmidt
Concerning the Window appearance I have no clue.
Sometimes there are some minor weird effects which I attribute to Qt.
But nothing like you reported.

This seems to be a first-time-launch issue. End QLGT, start it again, and the main dialogue looks just normal. An other colleague told me this morning that he saw the same on his box at home yesterday night. Both boxes are Win XP professional, with all updates etc. installed.

Definitely no show-stopper, just a little confusing!

Best, Albrecht.

[Albrecht Dreß]

Hi Helmut!

when I reworked the windows installer last year I also faced the problem that downloading FWTools does not work when a http proxy is in place. I failed to find a solution.
Maybe there is any NSIS expert in the list who can give me a hint?

Yes, proxies always offer all kinds of nasty problems...

A quick google search found this one: <http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Inetc_plug-in>. I have no idea if it could solve the issue, but at least they advertise: "Internet client plug-in for files download and upload. Based on the InetLoad plug-in. Network implementation uses MS WinInet API, supports http/https and ftp protocols."

If that is true, they basically would use the IE engine (including all those nice security holes in it you get for free from Bill) which in turn picks up the system-wide proxy/network settings. Might be worth to give it a try?

Recently I wrote some installation instructions. See
http://www.qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21&Itemid=24
or in the Wiki where it reads.
"In that case, you can download and installFWTools 2.4.7 manually before running the QLandkarte GT installer."
The important point is that FWTools must be really installed *before* QLGT. Maybe we should highlight the word "before" in the installation instructions.

Sorry, this was actually my fault. I came into my colleague's office when he tried to view some tracks in Google earth. And of course I told him that there is a *far* better tool, which he can simply install from sf, and solva all his problem. Didn't look into the wiki first. *Shame on me* - looking for the big brown paper bag in which I can hide... :-/

The reason for this is that during QLGT installation, FWTools are located based on the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\FWtools\Install_Dir which is created during FWTools installation. Based on that the starter script QLandkarteGT.bat is generated.
Sounds complicated? Yes, also for me. But I did not find a simpler solution.

I see. Using /usr/local/* on UNIX (including the Mac) sounds a lot simpler!

Concerning the Window appearance I have no clue.
Sometimes there are some minor weird effects which I attribute to Qt.
But nothing like you reported.
You can send an e-mail with a screenshot.

We will try again tomorrow, no Win at home... ;-)

Thanks,
Albrecht.